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, it is 6 or 7% and i don't believe all of it will go on the deficit. when we raised the debt ceiling in august of 2011, we borrowed $2.1 billion. we spent that much money, in 17 months. why would i raise the debt ceiling again, unless we address what put us in debt to begin with? i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming greece, and social security and medicare, here's what i would like, meaningful entitlement reform, not to turn social security into private accounts, not to take a voucher approach to medicare. but, adjust the age for social security, cpi changes and means testing and look beyond the ten-year window. i cannot in good conscience raise the debt ceiling without addressing the long term debt problems of this country and i will not. >> chris: and, senator feinstein, you heard president obama say we have to get out of the habit and will not start trading debt ceiling increases for spending cuts. >> i think the key to what he is saying is that you don't affect people at this time. wh
, it is 6 or 7% and i don't believe all of it will go on the deficit. when we raised the debt ceiling in august of 2011, we borrowed $2.1 billion. we spent that much money, in 17 months. why would i raise the debt ceiling again, unless we address what put us in debt to begin with? i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming greece, and social security and medicare, here's what i would like, meaningful entitlement reform, not to turn...
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the cbo estimates fiscal year 2013 deficit will be, well,lionf $104 trillion fofiscal year a rl 2013.well, it's so we get up to 2014, it is going to be about $19.billion -- excuse me, trillion dollars.f $20.3 trillion. we do nothing. amat is if we do nothing aboutpb this runaway spending. responsible government. let's take a look at what1.6 happens. way $1.64 trillion in taxes. $82 billion per year from the top 2%. senates the n same amount of net tax hikes in the president's 2013 budget that the senate rejected unanimously. byl the tax hikes that he is requesting, the national debt by it'll instead of 25.8%, that's where you get cut down. it will amount toll $25.4 trillion.that's we will call at obama wins. a r the national media waiting forii that one. that is what will be. it will be a really dramaticis s scene. i want to show you exactly how anges. speaker boehner wants, oh, yeah? he isgoing to kick some ail. we are going to get to point you leally in dollars and the spending of this country.that'l let me rephrase that. total a $2.2 trillion reduction in thf total plan spending. w
the cbo estimates fiscal year 2013 deficit will be, well,lionf $104 trillion fofiscal year a rl 2013.well, it's so we get up to 2014, it is going to be about $19.billion -- excuse me, trillion dollars.f $20.3 trillion. we do nothing. amat is if we do nothing aboutpb this runaway spending. responsible government. let's take a look at what1.6 happens. way $1.64 trillion in taxes. $82 billion per year from the top 2%. senates the n same amount of net tax hikes in the president's 2013 budget that...
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with leaders of both parties to try and forge an agreement that would grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it is the right thing to do for our families, four or businesses and for our entire economy but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get consider bring smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do for our economy. it would be bad for middle class families and it would be bad for businesses that spend, depend on family spending. fortunately congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just had a good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may stil
with leaders of both parties to try and forge an agreement that would grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it is the right thing to do for our families, four or businesses and for our entire economy but the hour for immediate action is here....
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doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social security or for that matter medicare benefits. you can cut medicare in ways you don't cut benefits and the hypocrisy of republicans that said that democrats are terrible because they took $716 billion from medicare for obama care and what do we want to do? pocket the cuts and add more. our chief demand is entitlement cuts. medicare and social security. >> talk about the debt ceiling and where this is played in to this conversation. that is coming up in february or supposed to come up in february. john boehner made the offer to take it off the table for a year but i want to sho
doesn't contribute to the deficit. and we're talking about the deficit. why should social security be discussed in that context? >> completely off the table? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that was the -- and that was our position during the campaign. social security has nothing to do with the deficit. does not contribute to it. walled off from it. its own trust fund with $2.7 trillion in it at the moment. and the american people by huge majorities say we shouldn't be cutting social...
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got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house reconvenes on sunday. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> and there's your green, the doug, s&p and even the s&p are now all slightly in the green now. what happened here as, of course, the dow was down earlier today by nearly 150 points
got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house...
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that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal with this bad economy right now. that's ending. there's no sign that's not going to end. everyone is going to pay a little more anyway. what we're worried about is this extra level on top. that is what many volters are paying attention to and that is the real bear in the woods that has democrats and republicans both worried about these negotiations. >> the clock, as you point out, is ticking, ticking, ticking right now. tom, thank you. >>> what's at stake for the millions of americans already out of a job once the country goes over the fiscal cliff? that and much more when our special coverage cont
that would help the federal government in terms of dealing with the deficit, but nonetheless, it still won't be enough, but it will be a start in that direction. that's the current cutoff, but we don't have that deal yet. absent that deal and as long as the clock keeps ticking, all of this is on the table for all of us. one more thing i should mention, bear in mind this past year, all of us have enjoyed a payroll tax vacation. payroll taxes were reduced across the country to help people deal...
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the same is true for any future deficit agreement. we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i am willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. we will have to do it in a responsible way. i am willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the costs of health care in this country. that is something which all agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future generations but the current trajectory of health care costs is going up so high that we have to find ways to make sure that it is sustainable. that kind of reform has to go hand in hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals, the biggest corporations, cannot take advantage of loopholes and deductions that are not available to most of the folks standing up here for most americans. there is still more work to be done in the tax code to make it fair even as we are also looking at how we can strengthen something like medicare. if republicans think i will finish the job of the defic
the same is true for any future deficit agreement. we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i am willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. we will have to do it in a responsible way. i am willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the costs of health care in this country. that is something which all agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future generations but the current trajectory of health care costs is going up...
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the deficit of about $1 trillion that is for fiscal 2013. that assumes that somehow the fiscal cliff doesn't happen and we don't reduce the deficit by $600 billion. national debt, about $16 billion , debt held by the public -- as a percentage it is getting up there. we've had it before. as we talked about two weeks ago it is not so much that the size of the debt it is how fast the debt is growing in comparison to the size of the economy. you don't want to pay off the debt but you want it to fall. host: how did we get to this point? why is the government spending so much and under this president, we've seen the debt go up $1 trillion each year over the last four years. where is it going? guest: there are two main ways to look at it. right now, we're still coming out of this economic crisis. so you have large debts for four years mainly because you have low revenues as people don't have jobs or they are getting paid less. then there has been extra spending programs over the last four years but also, we have this mandatory spending programs tha
the deficit of about $1 trillion that is for fiscal 2013. that assumes that somehow the fiscal cliff doesn't happen and we don't reduce the deficit by $600 billion. national debt, about $16 billion , debt held by the public -- as a percentage it is getting up there. we've had it before. as we talked about two weeks ago it is not so much that the size of the debt it is how fast the debt is growing in comparison to the size of the economy. you don't want to pay off the debt but you want it to...
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the deficit, like how much debt or adding. over a trillion. just when you're. federal government runnng a a tab of a rillion. we talk about this number of the me. let's get this zero's again. a very big number. tough to get your arms around these numbers. when you see it on a piece of paper it's easier. i thought it would be even easier ifwe thought about one american household. what if each of those numbers translate it into one family. if you ran the household like the federal government here is what you would be looking at. your family income, 24400. your spending, 305,400. look at this. what's going on? you can't do this. if you were spending 35,000 only had 24,000 coming in, that's a nightmare. the new debt would be 10,900. it's a nightmare. so let's talk about your total credit card debt. if you were on par with the federal government your total debt would be $163,000. you're not even earning 25,000. you would be in huge trouble. you would be insolvent. i would call you a deadbeat. of course you're too smart to do something this stupid. capitol hill is no
the deficit, like how much debt or adding. over a trillion. just when you're. federal government runnng a a tab of a rillion. we talk about this number of the me. let's get this zero's again. a very big number. tough to get your arms around these numbers. when you see it on a piece of paper it's easier. i thought it would be even easier ifwe thought about one american household. what if each of those numbers translate it into one family. if you ran the household like the federal government here...
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republicans don't care about deficit reduction. if they had they would have allowed it to take place and reduced the deficit. >> i am always interested in what he has to say. it is interesting, this vote asked, what do conservatives and republicans believe in the house and what do republicans believe? as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along with and they are going to get tax raises on rich people. and when we go off the physical cliff congress goes back into session. republicans are blamed for the bad economy and roger is right. the three programs, social security and medicare and medicaid have been untouched. roger, the reason i give this one cheer out of three cheers, i think he is right. the democrats are salivating to demonize and this deal is the best they are going to get. >> in this one, some people say, that the real hidden agenda is to break the pledge on tax cuts and break the
republicans don't care about deficit reduction. if they had they would have allowed it to take place and reduced the deficit. >> i am always interested in what he has to say. it is interesting, this vote asked, what do conservatives and republicans believe in the house and what do republicans believe? as i have said to you from day one, democrats want the fiscal cliff. howard dean said on your program, it is the best deal that they are going to get. the republicans would never go along...
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the ability to fund the deficit goes on without much hiccup at all. we're still paying low rates for borrowing. 1.7%. all those predictions were -- >> they were playing ridiculously low rates in greece too. it's a dollar bubble. it's a treasury bond bubble. will it burst in 2013? maybe. it's going to burst eventually. it has to burst. >> peter, it's not a model. it's not a model to say something bad will happen eventually. >> your model about being a pollyanna and having your head in the sand -- >> it's not. >> how did you miss the financial crisis? >> i have no idea what you're talking about, peter. i have no idea what you're talking about. i was one of the first reporters to report on the housing and the mortgage crisis. i'll show you the clips. >> you were one of the guys laughing on me when i was report -- >> like a lot of what you say is ridiculous. >> guys, guys. [ overlapping speakers ] >> time-out. >> something bad will happen eventually, peter. >> time-out guys. i have a question for you peter. you're predicting currency crisis and significan
the ability to fund the deficit goes on without much hiccup at all. we're still paying low rates for borrowing. 1.7%. all those predictions were -- >> they were playing ridiculously low rates in greece too. it's a dollar bubble. it's a treasury bond bubble. will it burst in 2013? maybe. it's going to burst eventually. it has to burst. >> peter, it's not a model. it's not a model to say something bad will happen eventually. >> your model about being a pollyanna and having your...
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twice as large as the largest bush deficit. we are spending a trillion more a year than we were five years ago. we have to resolve dhou we continue to spend this money. we can wrap around how we get this spending down no amount of taxation is going to solve the problem. >> why is it there's a reluctance to identify where the spending cuts should go? no one wants to talk about the sacred entitlements but at some point we have to. if we are spending a trillion dollars a year and if the revenues are offset by the spending recommended by the president our grandchildren will be held hostage. >> get everybody back to work. we did not pay for the cost of the war. president bush should have done that. both were declared during his administration. that cost is enormous. huge pay out to health insurance unemployment compensation and so forth because the wholly con me went to pot. of course spending would go up. having responsible legislation is so important. it starts if the congress has been a part of economic growth in this country. hu
twice as large as the largest bush deficit. we are spending a trillion more a year than we were five years ago. we have to resolve dhou we continue to spend this money. we can wrap around how we get this spending down no amount of taxation is going to solve the problem. >> why is it there's a reluctance to identify where the spending cuts should go? no one wants to talk about the sacred entitlements but at some point we have to. if we are spending a trillion dollars a year and if the...
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not even close fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope that the blame game can be put aside so they can get some work done? in the private sector these people would be fired. >> absolutely. this is a do nothing congress, the least active in fur years when it comes to policy making, and the reason we are here is that the delay decisions for the past two years. i do think that something will happen because if it doesn't the consequences will be so severe in the next year again over 9 percent unemployment and a significant slowdown in an already slow economy. tom: but the blame game, who is going to g
not even close fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope...
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tom: will that tax solve the deficit spending? >> it will if you include 2%, 250,000 for couples, 200,000 for individuals and above. you start taxing capital gans and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $10 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope that the blame game can be put aside so they can get some work done? in the private sector these people would be fired. >> absolutely. this is a do nothing congress, the least active in four years whe
tom: will that tax solve the deficit spending? >> it will if you include 2%, 250,000 for couples, 200,000 for individuals and above. you start taxing capital gans and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $10 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close to fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class...
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i want it to go for deficit reduction. but that's not what we're hearing. >> the sequestration delay that republicans would like to see a 30-day delay. take it to the march deadline for the debt limit. the democrats want to go further out. what would you accept? >> the sequestration was signed into law by the president 18 months ago. it takes effect january 2nd. it was an important part of the last debt limit discussion. there's no way in the world that you can play that forward to the next debt limit discussion. that just doesn't work. the sequestration has to go forward as it is written as the president signed into law. remember all of this, the tax piece, the sequestration and don't forget obama care taxes, all of those were things signed by the president. clearly he wanted this scenario, or he wouldn't have signed those pieces of legislation. >> i would like to push a bit more on bill's previous question about tax hikes. because if i'm not wrong and do correct me if i'm wrong, you have said before that you would not vo
i want it to go for deficit reduction. but that's not what we're hearing. >> the sequestration delay that republicans would like to see a 30-day delay. take it to the march deadline for the debt limit. the democrats want to go further out. what would you accept? >> the sequestration was signed into law by the president 18 months ago. it takes effect january 2nd. it was an important part of the last debt limit discussion. there's no way in the world that you can play that forward to...
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it's trying to cut the deficit. >> right, the cuts that everyone is talking about that are in the sequester, those have already been decided and those are in the bank, but as you lk to change current law, the tax cuts expire tomorrow. to replace a bunch of them, to find new revenue and then not continue to cut does not get us out of our hole. so that's the problem. is we're looking at a very small band aid that doesn't get us through the next hurdlhurdle. it keeps us as a fiscal precipice that we've been trying to get out of for 17 months. >> you heard the words used by mitch mcconnell and harry reid, do you see this as a breakdown? or is it just more brinksmanship? >> as you know, even the most distant viewer observer far away from washington would know that these are never resolved before the absolute last-minute. so to get anything resolved today would be surprising. i think people are pushing on both sides of the bargaining table. asking for a little more, a little more. there's going to have to be more budgeting. but it is a good sign as was mentioned before. that the vice president is
it's trying to cut the deficit. >> right, the cuts that everyone is talking about that are in the sequester, those have already been decided and those are in the bank, but as you lk to change current law, the tax cuts expire tomorrow. to replace a bunch of them, to find new revenue and then not continue to cut does not get us out of our hole. so that's the problem. is we're looking at a very small band aid that doesn't get us through the next hurdlhurdle. it keeps us as a fiscal precipice...
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that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >> something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> how did we get to this, congressman? he right? >> yes, he is. really it's the inability of congress to control spending. that is why we're in this pickle right now. we're spending $1.2 trillion more than we're taking in every year. and so he is completely right. i think people are right to see congress as dysfunctional. that's why we've got to deal with this today or tomorrow or the next day in a way that fixes this long term, not just gets us out of the
that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >>...
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look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be, senator joe lieberman said a short while ago they will try to vote on this thing at some point this evening as we get closer, adam, less than an hour to go in the year 2012 there is no way this clears the senate and the house before the end of the new year. if the senate passes this tonight or sometime in the early morning hours the house will hol begin considering it tomorrow. there's no real outlook so far as to whether or not this is actually going to pass the house, too early to tell. they are basically saying the senate goes first and then the house. adam: have the senator from ohio saying he will vote for this. we have the senator from iowa, tom harkin, very liberal saying he will vote against it. we have to believe leadership in the senate believes it will pass in the senate tonight. the question then becomes both democrats and the house and republicans in the house, right? >> that is right. this will be an appeal from both leaders in both parties on the house side
look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be, senator joe lieberman said a short while ago they will try to vote on this thing at some point this evening as we get closer, adam, less than an hour to go in the year 2012 there is no way this clears the senate and the house before the end of the new year. if the senate passes this tonight or sometime in the early morning hours the house will hol begin considering it...
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this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well, say that in reenacts the bush cuts for everybody up to $450,000. do it as a straight tax reduction. those who resisted it a week ago tax hike on the rich can argue it's not a hike, the hike already happened. but that is the only way to pre-empt obama extending all of this and making the republicans, fall guys for a hike in middle class taxes. >> bret: we're assuming it is past the senate. you have senators who have all expressed major concerns. >> you just know three most liberal senators, it's absurd, it should be million. >> you know anybody can stand up in the senate to caus
this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well,...
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who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you say, one that would mean less money for seniors with the social security adjustment is off the table, are you more optimistic about getting a deal done. >> we still have a long way to go. >> what do you see as the major sticking point? >> one of the sticking pointing, what the republicans want to do is continue the 2010 agreement on lower estate tax rates, which means, chris, $120 billion tax break over a ten-year period for the top 0.2 of 1%. they get $120 billion tax break. and people come forward and say we're very serious about deficit reduction. thir
who should pick up the burden for deficit reduction? working people who have seen their wages go down or the top 2% who have done phenomenally well, while their effective tax rate, as mitt romney reminded us by not releasing his tax returns, is extremely low. so to my mind, what this deficit reduction debate is about is asking the wealthiest people, the large corporations to help us with deficit reduction and give a break for a change to the middle class and working families. >> as you...
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there is no sense that deficit will hammer us right now. >> i have blajerred on too much. my fault. thank you very much sfls let's hit on as many as we can. jimmy p. joining us. and former governor ed rendell. i think steve brought up an important point, governor, which is this, what do you believe is the ultimate goal. adding 50 $60 bucks to benefits will help them live a more comfortable life. will it help the growth goals of the united states? >> i think the greater growth goals can only be accomplished -- look, there isn't going to do anything to get our debt under control. we we have to go back to the drawing board to deal with entitlement reform, military spending cuts and revenue. it is reported this produces 600 billion in revenue, that's not nearly enough. we have to go back tlt drawing board an and make tough decisions. only taking care of the debt will causey think the chain reaction that will cause markes to the explode. economy to grow bp that's more important than any of the little niches you are talking about. >> when will that time kuk? when will we have to go back t
there is no sense that deficit will hammer us right now. >> i have blajerred on too much. my fault. thank you very much sfls let's hit on as many as we can. jimmy p. joining us. and former governor ed rendell. i think steve brought up an important point, governor, which is this, what do you believe is the ultimate goal. adding 50 $60 bucks to benefits will help them live a more comfortable life. will it help the growth goals of the united states? >> i think the greater growth goals...
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they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody else in the country in order to get this demand met for the very wealthiest estates. this isn't even the top 1%. this is a fraction of 1%. while they want to give those folks a big break they want folks on social security to pay more. and so this is a major setback. it is interesting to hear mitch mcconnell talking about his good faith efforts. he knows that he just threw a monkey wrench into the negotiations y. think he is also doing it to protect speaker boehner and the republicans and the house because he doesn't want to send them a deal that he knows they are going to vote down. >> let's talk a
they want them to carry the burden of reducing the deficit and refuse to ask higher income individuals to pitch in to fully share responsibility. and that is exactly what is happening. it is important to know that republicans are now demanding that the wealthiest of the very wealthiest estates in this country get a sweetheart deal on estate taxes which would help 7,200 families in the country next year get an average tax break of $1.2 million. and they are holding up tax relief for everybody...
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a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough. obviously, what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because they had come forward with a counter offer to what republicans said last night. hopefully the discussions between the vice-president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track and we will have a breakthrough and something we can vote on today or tomorrow to avert what we all believe would be an economic disaster. >> harry reid is as if you cannot come up with something by tonight that he will push a scaled-down version of what the president asked for, the tax cu
a dog to be reducing the deficit and debt. they say they want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> you have spoken a few times with the prize -- the vice president and it seems they have been able to come up with bipartisan deals. did he give you an indication that you just had with fellow republicans that it may be an avenue of success? >> there were conversations and discussions between us and we remain hopeful that it will be a breakthrough....
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans that might be an avenue of success? >> there -- those conversations and discussions continue. and we remain hopeful that that will get a breakthrough. on veryiously, what had happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. so hopefully, the discussions between the vice president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track, hopefully get a breakthrough and something we can vote on, hopefully today or tomorrow that will avert what we believe will be an economic di
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans...
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unemployment insurance is available for 2 million people, and it lays the groundwork for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. let us not miss this deadline. that is the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it should not be hard since democrats and republicans say they do not want to see taxes go up on middle-class families. i have to repeat -- outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern over and over again. ordinary folks -- they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and then things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership cannot do the same thing is mind-boggling to them. it needs to stop. i am modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody will get 100% of what they want. let us make sure that middle- class families and the american economy and the world economy are not adversely impacted because people cannot do their jobs. thank you very much, everybody. >> today
unemployment insurance is available for 2 million people, and it lays the groundwork for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. let us not miss this deadline. that is the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it should not be hard since democrats and republicans say they do not want to see taxes go up on middle-class families. i have to repeat -- outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern...
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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start and so there are some programs that are scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are b
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are...
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this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is th smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or what's called the automatic spending cuts and that's what republicans have been suggesting if he raises more revenue raising taxes on the rich, he's not going to put it towards the deficit, but the president kind of suggested that today. >> and a question from the beginning and it's your segment, go ahead. >> i've been on the show for ten seconds, by first time on the "the five", you've interrupted me and contradicted me. >> there will be plenty more time for that, and welcome to "the five", and bob beckel. >> can i ask my question of ed. because ed, you mentioned that i had experience in dealing
this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is th smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or...
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explodes the deficit. hurts middle class employment. none has anything to do with the problem that we have which is number one in revenue we are spending too much and number two job creation. none of this helps either one of those things joe trippi and you know that is true. >> i don't know that is true and we won't agree about that. we will agree about one thing. going over the cliff will be far worse than what the president has put forward as a solution. >> sean: no, it is not. >> yes, it will. why don't we go over the cliff and get it over with. that makes sense to me, sean. >> sean: i say from the beginning he wanted to go over the cliff. he gets to blame republicans, tax everybody and gets defense cuts he never dreamed of through se see questions traition. we still have trillion dollars deficits. >> we got to be honest here. >> let's be honest both parties have been lying to the american people about that for years for decades sean. it is not a dam problem. >> sean: and no president has spent like this reckless spender. billy cunni
explodes the deficit. hurts middle class employment. none has anything to do with the problem that we have which is number one in revenue we are spending too much and number two job creation. none of this helps either one of those things joe trippi and you know that is true. >> i don't know that is true and we won't agree about that. we will agree about one thing. going over the cliff will be far worse than what the president has put forward as a solution. >> sean: no, it is not....
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we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most important issue, but it's the central one. grover norquist told you his strong opposition to any tax increases of any sort. many republicans share his view. let's look at the economy. obviously across the board tax increases would hurt the economy. but what will the real economic reaction be to small tax increases on the wealthiest americans? now, annie lowrie of the "new york times" is still with us. i always have to make sure my viewers understand i am not advocating for tax increases on the rich. i want to explain what could happen. i want to bring in jean za
we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most...
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so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending on unemployment benefits, those will continue as a part of this deal. it is complicated. it has very significant impact on the economy, on people's pocketbooks, and there has been sharp political divide for a very long time. that's the subject of the campaign on many levels, it will be a subject of campaigns for many of these members of congress in the future when they are up for reelection. but this represents a significant breakthrough after so much difficulty. much of the credit will probably go to mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. and alon
so to delay that has a cost that further adds to the deficit. so they have been trying to find ways to offset that cost. to bring in new revenue through these new taxes, to protect the current tax rates for the majority of americans. so anyone who earns less than 400,000 dollars as an individual will have the same tax rates as they do now. other sorts of tax provisions like the 2% payroll tax will stay in effect. and for those people who have been out of work the longest and have been depending...
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debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit, and then i'll let dan jump in. >> sure. >> look, the argument i'm hearing -- and i don't know what cuts the president is offering to the republicans -- but why doesn't he offer more? why doesn't he give them -- i mean, anything more that he offers would be better than going over the fiscal cliff. why can't we get to something? why can't he give enough significant cuts that would make some of these republicans in districts that will really have problems when they go back to win re-election, if they raise taxes, give them some sort of incentive. give them some serious c
debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit,...
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don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would like spending cuts, but they would like -- they won't be ebbing mrift about exactly how do do it. >> i want to give luke the last word on this. >> is there a chance? just your kind of read on the final word on this, do we end today with some kind of a deal, or do they punt this and try to do it before january 3rd or not at all, just go over the cliff? >> i think that there's a possibility you could see a deal come out of the senate today, although i think if any deal comes out of the senate, the house will most likely vote on it tomorrow. i don't see a late night new year's eve vote
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separately is how do we bring down our deficit? do we attack social security entitlements, medicare, medicaid and that's this ideological struggle we're seeing between democrats and republicans that will continue in a series of skirmishes probably over the debt ceiling come february and ongoing until they finally have it out and resolve this for the long term. >> i think the white house's view in political terms is that how he handles himself on this sets the terms of engagement for those subsequent fights. again, a few weeks ago, when i was talking to people at the white house about how they were going to strategize this, they said look, this is a re-set moment and we've got to re-set sort of the balance of power from the 2011 talks. >> i think it's worth emphasizing on the numbers you mentioned the public overwhelming supports raises faxes on the wealthy but on the spending cuts they oppose cutting those programs in large numbers. when you get specific about that, don't cut that, don't cut that. >> hands off medicare. >> the pres
separately is how do we bring down our deficit? do we attack social security entitlements, medicare, medicaid and that's this ideological struggle we're seeing between democrats and republicans that will continue in a series of skirmishes probably over the debt ceiling come february and ongoing until they finally have it out and resolve this for the long term. >> i think the white house's view in political terms is that how he handles himself on this sets the terms of engagement for those...
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, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement reform, and reductions in spending. that didn't happen. we weren't able to get that deal. we got one piece of it, and that is going to help with economic growth because we made these lower tax rates permanent. that's going to help our economy grow, create revenue through growth rather than higher taxes. we have got to do the entitlement reform. we've got to find real savings, and it has to be in that $4 trillion range to reduce the deficit and debt, and i think that also is part of really getting the kind of economic growth we need wit
, deficit reduction. where do you start with that? what do you think the republican strategy should be? there's been a lot of criticism, as you know. i was thinking about david brooks, who was on "meet the press" over the weekend, and he was saying that the problem with the republicans, frankly sshgs that they have a brain freeze. they have no strategy. is there a strategy? >> absolutely. we work to get a $4 trillion deal, which included a program of tax reform, entitlement...
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that deficit. liz: gentlemen, why is it okay if george bush wanted to cut taxes and not if president obama wants to cut taxes? at a certain point nobody loves taxes. however, married with spending cuts, why are we not hearing about that dennis kucinich? the spending cuts we need to see as well. >> i vocally opposed the bush tax cuts, look how are you paying for them? we're borrowing money from china to give tax cuts? what is going on? as far as spending look at amount of money wasted in pentagon. wars in iraq before all the bills are in. liz: well, 800,000 pent -- pentagon workers may be cut, may be furloughed due to these spending cuts. the question becomes all of you, maybe that is our version of austerity? maybe we need to feel that pain? >> these cuts were --. liz: let me let representative mulvaney get first crack. >> let's try to find still very lining here. what we've learned from the american publlc during the last two weeks is as attention turned to the fiscal cliff, they don't want their
that deficit. liz: gentlemen, why is it okay if george bush wanted to cut taxes and not if president obama wants to cut taxes? at a certain point nobody loves taxes. however, married with spending cuts, why are we not hearing about that dennis kucinich? the spending cuts we need to see as well. >> i vocally opposed the bush tax cuts, look how are you paying for them? we're borrowing money from china to give tax cuts? what is going on? as far as spending look at amount of money wasted in...
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number one they don't like the extension of unemployment benefits and think that adds to the deficit. they don't think there are enough spending cuts. they also don't like the extension of the middle class tax cuts that were the president's stimulus package. also some liberals don't like the bill because they feel it gives, takes away their leverage to argue for more taxes in the future in terms of deficit deals and the rest of them would only come by cuts. so what you're going to see is at noon, nancy pelosi is going to talk to the house democratic caucus. there have been some rumors that joe biden could come up here on new year's day to sell the plan, very much like he did to the senate ds earlier this morning. you'll also see john boehner meeting with his conference at 1:00 p.m. i've been told by folks close to boehner that these -- it is by no means a done deal. he is keeping the door open to possibly amending the senate bill. now you think with the 9 votes they wouldn't want to do that, they'd want to put this to bed. but the house republicans have been known to scuttle these typ
number one they don't like the extension of unemployment benefits and think that adds to the deficit. they don't think there are enough spending cuts. they also don't like the extension of the middle class tax cuts that were the president's stimulus package. also some liberals don't like the bill because they feel it gives, takes away their leverage to argue for more taxes in the future in terms of deficit deals and the rest of them would only come by cuts. so what you're going to see is at...
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if republicans think i will finish the job of deficit reduction, that's not how it's going to work. in the responsible way. they will reiterate that. it has to be balanced. >> there's a lot of criticism for how the president has been handling this in the last two days some republicans are ridiculing republicans and suggesting that was not conducive to negotiations. can you understand why people feel that way? >> i don't understand that. i think they are wrong. the president laid down the marker and indicated what was in it this bill. he also indicated what's ahead e. and he acknowledged that we have work to do ahead. it has to be done in a balanced and responsible way. there will be to be additional measures. i think that's important. we think the president will lead to think he's spiking the football when he's trying to get everything moving. i think that's a mistake for the republicans to say that. >> i'm not going to suggest that you know what the other 434 members of your house is going to do. never until the vote is done. vice president biden just said that yesterday. but i wan
if republicans think i will finish the job of deficit reduction, that's not how it's going to work. in the responsible way. they will reiterate that. it has to be balanced. >> there's a lot of criticism for how the president has been handling this in the last two days some republicans are ridiculing republicans and suggesting that was not conducive to negotiations. can you understand why people feel that way? >> i don't understand that. i think they are wrong. the president laid...
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that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks behind him. is that an indication of how things are going and he's more privy to what's going on behind the scenes than we are and has confidence that things are getting done and maybe the tone reflected that. >> that certainly seemed to be the case. i think it is the case. we are hearing agreement is reached on the tax rates and still things to negotiate and all going to be issues, the tax rates were the biggest sticking point, they were what the house couldn't get through before and obama and boehner couldn't agree on. if that's now decided and they're talking about a
that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks...